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wgreenhouse: @metztli a result of MS's closed security model is that there...

@metztli a result of MS's closed security model is that there are companies such as VUPEN specializing in unreleased Windows 0days.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli ...sold only to "friendly" (NATO) governments....

@metztli ...sold only to "friendly" (NATO) governments. informing MS about these before use would be unnecessary and counterproductive.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli to reiterate, of course Azure+Ubuntu is less reliable...

@metztli to reiterate, of course Azure+Ubuntu is less reliable than Ubuntu running in a FOSS VM, but it's also better than Azure+Windows.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli it was undetected by the software security industry...

@metztli it was undetected by the software security industry too; I think there was much complacency about a MITM against Windows Update.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli don't forget that the search for #Flame only started...

@metztli don't forget that the search for #Flame only started when Iran's CERT noticed a huge "unusual pattern:" whole systems being wiped!

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wgreenhouse: @metztli #flame also hid better by infecting few boxes at once;...

@metztli #flame also hid better by infecting few boxes at once; typical botnets infect thousands at a time, still often take ~2yrs. to find

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wgreenhouse: @metztli also per the kaspersky report, #flame owned update in...

@metztli also per the kaspersky report, #flame owned update in both directions, altering both server and phone-home communications.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli I don't disagree. there's just no plausible evidence...

@metztli I don't disagree. there's just no plausible evidence for the collaboration theory, at all.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli kaspersky report also indicated it wasn't anything like...

@metztli kaspersky report also indicated it wasn't anything like the whole Middle East, but about a hundred selected boxes at a time.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli if #flame is your main reason for mistrusting Azure...

@metztli if #flame is your main reason for mistrusting Azure *more* than other proprietary VM proivders, I think you're kidding yourself.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli right. more recent hypothesis is that there was a...

@metztli right. more recent hypothesis is that there was a fairly constant small number of hosts, adding new ones as others were deleted.

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wgreenhouse: @toksyuryel I wouldn't. but I also can't fathom why anyone would...

@toksyuryel I wouldn't. but I also can't fathom why anyone would use a non-free VM host in general, be it VMware or Azure.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli no question that MS and US share an interest in MS...

@metztli no question that MS and US share an interest in MS having profitable exports. but that interest is hurt by every botnet scandal.

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wgreenhouse: @toksyuryel I certainly can't understand why the Iranian oil...

@toksyuryel I certainly can't understand why the Iranian oil ministry used it for critical production work-maybe they will use Linux now.

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wgreenhouse: @metztli fair enough. I think we agree, then--sorry if I've been...

@metztli fair enough. I think we agree, then--sorry if I've been overly pedantic and argumentative. :)

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wgreenhouse: @toksyuryel probable level of infiltration" according to whom?

@toksyuryel probable level of infiltration" according to whom?

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wgreenhouse: Enjoying the heck out of the *official* !gnu !emacs 24 release....

Enjoying the heck out of the *official* !gnu !emacs 24 release. Next step: upgrade all boxen to !debian #wheezy :)

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wgreenhouse: Judge Richard Posner: "I've become less conservative since the...

Judge Richard Posner: "I've become less conservative since the Republican Party started becoming goofy" #libertarian http://ur1.ca/9rp6l

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wgreenhouse: Have you heard of #Elnode? It's a new event-driven (nodejs-like)...

Have you heard of #Elnode? It's a new event-driven (nodejs-like) asynchronous !Emacs webserver. Check it. http://b1t.it/bOir

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wgreenhouse: #libertarian anti-Fed types, pls explain: 1) commodity markets...

#libertarian anti-Fed types, pls explain: 1) commodity markets still mostly use USD; 2) bond traders mostly hold T-notes. Can't be so bad.

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